Posts Tagged ‘steroids’

Jim Rice Still Carrying Torch for “Good Old Days”

Friday, August 21st, 2009 by Nerdicus Finch

Rob Neyer already raked Jim Rice over the coals for this, but I don’t think adding a few comments of my own would be piling on. As reported by the Associated Press, Jim Rice, as part of a promotion for Allstate Insurance Co. (Full Disclosure Alert: they currently insure my car), recently spoke to a group of Little Leaguers in Williamsport, Pa. Here are some excerpts from the story:

“You see a Manny Ramirez, you see an A-Rod (Alex Rodriguez), you see (Derek) Jeter … Guys that I played against and with, these guys you’re talking about cannot compare,” Rice said to Little Leaguers gathered in the cafeteria.

Stay classy, Jim. Somehow you got into the Hall of Fame and, just a few weeks later, you feel the need to crap all over today’s stars. What an ambassador for the game.

What’s also funny, Jim, is that you can compare the players from your era with those from the modern era. There are statistics for that. I won’t discuss Manny Ramirez or A-Rod because of the steroid issue (and it’s clear that Rice has adopted a holier-than-thou attitude on that subject), so let’s focus on Derek Jeter. I’d love to hear from Rice regarding which shortstops from his era were better hitters than Jeter. I don’t think Rice played with Arky Vaughan or Honus Wagner, so he probably won’t be able to come up with any.

“We didn’t have the baggy uniforms. We didn’t have the dreadlocks,” Rice said. “It was a clean game, and now they’re setting a bad example for the young guys.”

Asked later at a news conference to list current players worthy of the Hall, Rice suggested Seattle Mariner outfielders Ichiro Suzuki and Ken Griffey, Jr., and Chicago White Sox slugger Jim Thome.

Really? That’s the best list that he could come up with? I agree that all three belong in the Hall of Fame, but aren’t there a few really obvious candidates out there? Randy Johnson, John Smoltz, Pedro Martinez, Mariano Rivera, Albert Pujols, Ivan Rodriguez, to name a few.

He said he believes current Hall of Famers who did not cheat don’t want players who took performance-enhancing drugs to join them in the Hall.

Flexing the muscles in his right arm, Rice said, “That’s all the steroids you need. … It’s called God-given talent.”

What a piece of work. I guess Rice is feeling a little cocky due to his recent HOF election, which is still a mystery to me. I know that there is a lot of disagreement on this, but, in my opinion, Rice is not a HOF caliber player. He was a very good player, but not worthy of Cooperstown. Things are going to get awkward over the next few years when the baseball writers realize they elected Rice, but don’t want to elect Fred McGriff or Moises Alou. I guess McGriff and Alou weren’t as “feared” as Rice.

The last sentence of the article sheds some light on the interest level in Rice’s perspective. It reads like a little bit of an eff you from the AP writer:

He got a standing ovation from players and coaches, though some of the 11- to 13-year-old players were yawning or had their heads in their arms on the table about 15 minutes into the talk.

Sounds like your speech was a real showstopper, Jim. If it were Manny, A-Rod, or Jeter doing the talking, I doubt any of the Little Leaguers would have been daydreaming.

Best available reflection on the steroids era…

Friday, February 20th, 2009 by I Love Nerd York City

The other day, a friend of mine reminded me of an extremely well-written and thought-provoking article by Chuck Klosterman from when he wrote for ESPN Page 2. It turns out that he wrote two articles addressing the issue of steroids in sports. Reading them in their entireties is well worth your time. Instead of trying to recap them, I’ve linked them below. With all of the hysteria in regards to this A-Rod mess, it’s nice to remember that there can be thoughtful discussions of complex sports issues…

April 10, 2006

March 21, 2007

This Just In: Rick Reilly Officially Off Deep End

Thursday, February 19th, 2009 by Nerdicus Finch

Rick Reilly of ESPN has hit a new low, which is actually saying something when you consider how he embarrassed himself on national television during Josh Hamilton’s home run barrage in last year’s Home Run Derby (remember: “This is a bad day to be an atheist!”). In his latest “Life of Reilly” column for ESPN (the) Magazine, Reilly jumps on the moralizing bandwagon to redistribute the MVP awards that were handed out to suspected or admitted steroid users over the years. I apologize for giving Reilly’s column the full FJM treatment, but it’s a particularly bad piece of baseball writing. Reilly’s column text is in bold.

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Please tell me this is a joke…

Monday, February 9th, 2009 by I Love Nerd York City

Either this a piece of sarcasm and satire so magnificent that I don’t get it…or the most ridiculous idea in the history of sports journalism. If you have a moderate understanding of the game of baseball, and high blood pressure, turn back now. Otherwise, buckle up…

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Ugh…

Saturday, February 7th, 2009 by I Love Nerd York City

Today’s controversy has made me yearn for the good old days.

The days of 2002, when the biggest New York sports controversy was much, much sillier

Hoof.

Balancing the Books*

Thursday, February 5th, 2009 by Nerdicus Finch

I hope to discuss the “Steroid Era” and how to handle it in greater detail in the future, but I had some quick thoughts on the Bonds situation in light of the alleged positive steroid tests that were recently unsealed in Bonds’s perjury trial.

I was listening to “Mike and Mike” on ESPN Radio on the way to work this morning and they were discussing Bonds’s alleged positive tests. Mike Greenberg was arguing that if it is proven in a court of law that Bonds used steroids, then there should definitely be an asterisk attached to his career numbers or that his stats should be deleted entirely from the record books. Mike Golic disagreed, under the theory that you don’t know where to stop in terms of who used steroids and who didn’t (due to evidence and proof issues), so you won’t know whose statistics to delete. I think there is merit to this argument, but I remember hearing a much more compelling one a couple of years ago. It went something like this:

Basically, baseball is a zero sum game. For example, every time a batter hits a homerun, a pitcher gives up that run. The batter’s hits, runs, RBI, HR, AVG, SLG, OBP, etc. go up, while the pitcher’s runs allowed, hits allowed, WHIP, ERA (if earned), etc. go up. While I’m sure MLB’s record books aren’t completely balanced due to poor recordkeeping in the early days, the books have likely been balanced to the greatest extent possible for the past several decades. That’s why you can’t just delete a player’s stats from the record books.

Let’s say that it is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt (I guess that would be the standard, since taking steroids is illegal) that Bonds took steroids from 2000 until the end of his career. If you were to delete all of Bonds’s statistics from that point forward, you would also have to readjust all of the other collateral stats. Every pitcher who gave up a home run to Bonds during that stretch would need to have their ERAs adjusted, among many other things. And what about all of the Giants wins that Bonds contributed to over that period? If the Giants were down 8-7 in the bottom of the ninth inning of a particular game against the Padres and Bonds hit a two-run walk-off home run and that home run is subsequently deleted, do the Padres now win that game? It’s ridiculous and, as a result, this sort of revisionist history should not be considered.

Baseball isn’t track and field. In the 100 meter, for example, everyone gets an individual time. If it turns out that the gold medalist was using steroids, you can delete that individual’s time and give the medal to the second place finisher. I’m sure some issues could arise in longer races where runners are drafting off one another or pacing themselves against other runners, but deleting a cheater’s performance is a much easier task and doesn’t muddy the waters like it would in MLB.

What’s done is done, the horse is out of the barn, you can’t unring the bell – you pick the cliche. People are just going to have to deal with the fact that the “Steroid Era” happened and is just a part of MLB history now. No asterisks or deletions necessary.